‎”I’ve noticed that everybody that is for abortion has already been born.”
Ronald Reagan
Wampug!! :D

Wampug!! :D

"And I heard a loud voice from the throne saying, “Look! God’s dwelling place is now among the people, and he will dwell with them. They will be his people, and God himself will be with them and be their God. ‘He will wipe every tear from their eyes. There will be no more death’ or mourning or crying or pain, for the old order of things has passed away.” He who was seated on the throne said, “I am making everything new!” Then he said, “Write this down, for these words are trustworthy and true.”

Revelation 21:3-5

…comfort is the one thing you cannot get by looking for it. If you look for truth, you may find comfort in the end; if you look for comfort you will not get either comfort or truth - only soft soap and wishful thinking to begin with and, in the end, despair.
C. S. Lewis - Mere Christianity
Lyrics

Ever get the feeling that an artist stole the words from your life, or that a song was written just for you, or that the words are what you have needed to hear for a long time, or that they’re the words that others need to hear and understand themselves?? I love meaningful lyrics, especially ones that paint a picture or scene with the perfect, choice words. Here will be a collection of lyrics that are my favorites. There are so many, so I’ll put a few and then continue to add more as time goes by. 

I’ll start today with some Oh, Sleeper Lyrics. Oh, Sleeper is a metal band that doesn’t hold back lyrically. They are not afraid or ashamed of what they stand for. Their Lyrics cut to the quick, and reach into the heart of the matter.

Oh, Sleeper - Vices like Vipers

"Vices like vipers speak in whispers. My heel’s the meat to sink their teeth, Like the viper I kept when You said, "Let go!" This is what it took for me to see. When I am god this church is unsound."

"And to the girls, you’re worth more than the cheap words. You see your body as beauty, but your pulse is worth more."

Oh, Sleeper - Charlatan’s Host

"Why spare the life of inglorious waste? Why let him live? 

He’s just hunting your own! How can you just sit there and watch? 
“Because I love you more than you know. Look again and tell me what you see!” 
In the window was me. The massacres were all me! 
Oh God, please! Please! deliver the penalties for all of this from me. 
I’m not finding justice, no warrant for mercy… 
Don’t give up on me. Don’t give up on me! 
What happens when I turn and run again? And again, and again? 
“I will forgive you.” 
And what happens when I lie to your face? 
“I will forgive you.” 
Oh my God, I can be so defiant to someone who’s arms stretch to me. 
“I will forgive.” 
Don’t give up on me! Don’t give up on me! 
“I have forgiven you!” 
I’ll awake to new purpose to fight this body.
No longer will I play the dark shepherd.”

Oh, Sleeper - The Siren’s Song

"The lines crossed but you turned away. It was a beautiful song, sung through beast’s jagged teeth. It’s not real. You’ll see. It’s not real. You’ll see. She’s the one that you want The soft wet skin that haunts. Deep inside a warmth that lies on a bed, She’s calling to you…

Fight from your knees and the giants will fall.”

Oh, Sleeper - The Color Theft

"I walk alone, head down, in a pale grey scene. Every step leads to atrophy. 

This body made for conquest, instead a pawn on a stage so worthless.
I saw the future as endless reaches. The skyline’s promise, has left me faced with.
Who’s dreams are you killing? And who’s pockets are you filling?
Are you where you said you would be in the end?
I walk alone through the crowds of past failed kings.
Auditions were called for the hope-thirsting sheep.
What keeps this family of fighters from facing the war that they were bred for?

I once saw my deeds grow to greatness, and now I’m lost in the folds and worthless.

Following the footsteps of heroes, never led to the safe and grey roads.”

Oh, Sleeper – To Flagship

“Oh Captain! The waves are, like jaws, dripping…
Oh, let me not be made meal to the sea.
Cause I want to be strong.
Yeah I want to see the cannons jump.
Strip my pride. Oh, strip my pride.
Let no fault meet this hull.
I know the reef’s kiss. It cuts and sinks.
Draws me deep inside her. I won’t fear her.
Through swells, we will reign free
As the sons of the first King.
The sons of Flagship.”

Oh, Sleeper – Building the Nations

“Destroy! Rebuild! Plant the seeds to reclaim victory! 
Through struggle we press on…
We are the army of the far from perfect. 
This is the call to tear down and rebuild this world.”

Oh, Sleeper – Revelations in the Calm

“When leaders turn to cowards and fall gutless to bribes. 
When seductions raise the curtains and push virtue aside. 
A holocaust is coming for all the pure in this world… 
You can’t use ignorance as an alibi anymore. 
We could all bear the world, and fold our dreams to faults.
But when did hope fall short, and force our lines to crawl? 
When the real horror’s in mirrors looking back with a smile. 
And arsenals of words used to wreck start to pile. 
A holocaust is coming for all the pure in this world and 
You can’t use ignorance in your alibi anymore. 
So when hell is at the gates, who will stand and meet the waves 
and take the fight to their graves to end the dark campaign? 
Its the reason we have come to the forefront of this war.”

Oh, Sleeper – The End of a Dark Campaign

“I’ve been hit! Oh My God! Oh My God!
The ground burst and cold soaks my shirt. Send word!
The clarit river forms at my boots
With a flash and rain of dirt
I’ve been met for the hundredth time
Call the medic. This wounds meant to cripple! RUN!”

“With fights more lost than won I walk away with one trophy
A thousand scars on my own chest
Only to realize nowhere else was I hit.
But then with your grip gloved by mercy
I was wrenched back to the storm!
Lay dead or charge the line! Another patch wont do!
Cut it from my chest, and begin this run.”

That was just lyrics from Oh, Sleeper’s first album. Too lazy to do the other two for now… maybe another day. Maybe next I’ll put some lyrics from a Thrice album.

Awesome : )

Awesome : )

Now you’re just some Bobby that I used to know.
SOME BOBBY!!!
Why is this so funny.

Now you’re just some Bobby that I used to know.

SOME BOBBY!!!

Why is this so funny.

Cover songs that are better than the originals

I’ve put together a list of songs that I think are actually better that the originals. Let me know if you have any suggestions to add to the list : )

Covers that are better than the originals.

Where is my mind – Originally by The Pixies – Redone better by Yoav and Emily Browning

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BlDv44SeKBY

Mad World – Originally by Tears for Fears – Redone better by Gary Jules

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4N3N1MlvVc4

Last Kiss – Originally by J. Frank Wilson – Redone better by Pearl Jam

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J_sEtNrYlC4

Heartless– Originally by Kanye West – Redone way better by The Fray

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LBTdJHkAr5A&ob=av2n

Daniel – Originally by Elton John – Redone better by Fuel

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AGlyBXJHoig

Hey Ya – Originally by Outkast – Redone better by Obadiah Parker

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ejeEBlDESc&feature=related

Wonderwall – Originally by Oasis – Redone better by Ryan Adams

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kzZhtrsbJzs

Santeria – Originally by Sublime – Redone better by Amee Allen

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hRJdZpjK76o

Baby One More Time – Originally by Brittney Spears – Redone way better by August Burns Red

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q07aMIZXBtM&feature=related

Behind Blue Eyes – Originally by The Who – Redone better by Limp Bizkit

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TxwuB6xPcvs

Hurt – Originally by Nine Inch Nails – Redone Better by Johnny Cash

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J36CRZzm9vg&feature=related

Over the Rainbow – Originally by Judy Garland – Redone better by Israel Kamakawiwo’ole

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w_DKWlrA24k&ob=av2n

Sweet Dreams – Originally by The Eurithmics – Redone better by Emily Browning

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PoVJRzrHb-A

Crazy – Originally by Gnarles Barkley – Redone better by Ray Lamontagne

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6mEfDSP4g_U

Helter Skelter – Originally by the Beatles – Redone better by Thrice

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yogo6fJPJnE

Still Fly – Originally by Big Tymers – Redone better by The Devil Wears Prada

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G46HhLVnY24

Toxic – originally by Brittney Spears – Redone way better by A Static Lullaby

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wuLJKIiT_Tk

Deadbolt – Originally by Thrice – Redone (and it pains me to say so on account of Thrice being my favorite band) better by Ben Clark

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DdXw9-Y0SIU

Creep – Originally by Radiohead – Redone better by Anberlin

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KvKXR78v9tM

I Just Don’t Know What To Do With Myself - Originally by Dusty Springfield - Redone better by The White Stripes

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Snyxh8PtYkQ

House of the Rising Sun - Originally by The Animals - Redone better by Haley Reinhart

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AgYqmTXMm7c

Salt and Light

When the world all around you and in your immediate vicinity often go against what we should be doing as Christians, how do you combat that and maintain that light in the darkness around you?

 

Matthew 5:13-16 (NIV 1984), “You are the salt of the earth. But if the salt loses its saltiness, how can it be made salty again? It is no longer good for anything, except to be thrown out and trampled by men. You are the light of the world. A city on a hill cannot be hidden. Neither do people light a lamp and put it under a bowl. Instead they put it on its stand, and it gives light to everyone in the house. In the same way, let your light shine before men, that they may see your good deeds and praise your Father in heaven.”

This is the central verse that says we are to be a light in the world… not only light but salt. Salt is a preservative and a source of flavor, light shows the way and reveals the truth. These are the characteristics we should have as believers. There is a lot of over complication and confusion over how to manifest these qualities effectively in our lives.

We know the truth and the way; we are given great knowledge and the task to spread it. In the world there is great opposition to truth. The world will tell you that truth is subjective. It is not.

… Tangent Alert… beep beep beep!!!

“Hey stranger, what’s the best Ice cream flavor?” Stranger replies, “Orange!… orange is the best ice cream flavor!” I reply, “No! Choco-Chip Cookie Dough is the best!” <—— Those are opinions and they are subjective.

“Hey stranger, what’s the square root of 100?” Stranger replies, “Cats!… cats are the square root of 100!” I reply, “No! 10 is the square root of 100!” <—— That is a fact, and it is objective.

Back on course …

You have the truth, not your truth, not a truth, but the objective truth. To be honest, that can seem like a heavy burden at times. But here’s the thing; Christ carries your burdens and lays it out for us: you are to be salt and light. Christ often spoke in metaphors and parables about common things that we can relate to. We can definitely relate to the properties of salt and light (they are certainly common enough to us). Pour some salt in your mouth, believe me, you’ll know it’s there. Shine a flashlight in your sister’s eye…. she will hit you.

Of course, this is not the purpose of those two things. Salt was never meant to overwhelm you, but to give flavor. Light was not meant to blind you, but to give you sight. People foolishly shove things down people’s throats in an attempt to be salt and light and end up leaving them with a bad taste in their mouth and blinded from the truth.

Down to the matter now: how can we be true salt and light in a world so tasteless and dark?

Verses that I try to remember: 1 Peter 3:13-16 (NIV 1984), “Who is going to harm you if you are eager to do good? But even if you should suffer for what is right, you are blessed. “Do not fear what they fear; do not be frightened.” But in your hearts set apart Christ as Lord. Always be prepared to give an answer to everyone who asks you to give the reason for the hope that you have. But do this with gentleness and respect, keeping a clear conscience, so that those who speak maliciously against your good behavior in Christ may be ashamed of their slander.”

As you have gathered it doesn’t say force the truth on unbelievers. However, we can’t fall into the trap of never showing our faith unless someone specifically asks us something like, “Hey, do you believe that salvation comes through Christ alone because He, God’s Son, came down to earth in human form to lead a perfect, sinless life in order to die on the cross, taking the deserved punishment for me so that I could have forgiveness of sins and life through Him?”. Because, chances are, nobody’s gonna ask us that … ever… especially if we never speak of Him or act in a way that points to Him.

We have to take all that we learn from God’s word and apply it.

Some tips on being a light and salt in a world where the truth is opposed.

1. We must NEVER try and force the truth on anyone (don’t shove anything down anybody’s throat). I promise, it won’t do any good.

2. We must NEVER hide our faith from people for fear of judgment (I struggled with this for a long time, but we shouldn’t be ashamed of truth. When it comes down to it, they don’t judge you… they have no part or say in who you are. There are bigger things that the opinions of man.) Let it be known and plain.

3. Take opportunities to witness to people. Use discernment of proper time and place. You may not be the most eloquent speaker, but what you have to say may be exactly what the person needs to hear.

4. Be patient. Live out your faith and people will see that there is something different about you. They may even ask you what it is. Then the opportunity is right in front of your face and you are sure of it.

5. Stand up for what is right. If something is taking place that is wrong, make it known that it is wrong, why it is wrong, and how it should be fixed. Jesus stood up for what was right in Matthew 21:12-13 (NIV 1984), “Jesus entered the temple area and drove out all who were buying and selling there. He overturned the tables of the money changers and the benches of those selling doves. “It is written,” he said to them, “‘My house will be called a house of prayer,’ but you are making it a ‘den of robbers.’”

6. At the end of the day, sleep well knowing you lived the day right. You shined light and provided flavor to a dark and tasteless world by living out your faith, being ready to give answers, taking opportunities to offer truth, standing up for the truth, awaiting more opportunities, and being patient with a very lost people.

 

Pastor Joe Wright’s Controversial Prayer

I understand that this famous prayer from back in 96’ stirred up quite a bit of controversy. I guess some people have a hard time dealing with truth… especially when it says they’re guilty.



The prayer as delivered on January 23, 1996 by Pastor Joe Wright to the Kansas House of Representatives:


Heavenly Father, we come before You today to ask Your forgiveness and seek Your direction and guidance. Lord, we know Your Word says, “Woe to those who call evil good,” but that’s exactly what we’ve done. We have lost our spiritual equilibrium and inverted our values. 

We confess that we have ridiculed the absolute truth of Your Word and called it moral pluralism. 

We have worshipped other gods and called it multi-culturalism. 

We have endorsed perversion and called it an alternative lifestyle. 

We have exploited the poor and called it the lottery. 

We have neglected the needy and called it self-preservation. 

We have rewarded laziness and called it welfare. 

We have killed our unborn and called it choice. 

We have shot abortionists and called it justifiable. 

We have neglected to discipline our children and called it building esteem. 

We have abused power and called it political savvy. 

We have coveted our neighbors’ possessions and called it ambition. 

We have polluted the air with profanity and pornography and called it freedom of expression. 

We have ridiculed the time-honored values of our fore-fathers and called it enlightenment. 

Search us oh God and know our hearts today; try us and see if there be some wicked way in us; cleanse us from every sin and set us free. 

Guide and bless these men and women who have been sent here by the people of Kansas, and who have been ordained by You, to govern this great state. Grant them Your wisdom to rule and may their decisions direct us to the center of Your will. I ask it in the name of Your Son, the Living Savior, Jesus Christ. 

Amen.

Pastor Wright said afterwards: "I certainly did not mean to be offensive to individuals, but I don’t apologize for the truth."

"I thought I might get a call from an angry congressman or two, but I was talking to God, not them. The whole point was to say that we all have sins that we need to repent – all of us … The problem, I guess, is that you’re not supposed to get too specific when you’re talking about sin."
How can we know God’s plan or will for our lives?

       Let’s start with some Bible verses. Here is a popular one: Jeremiah 29:11 (NIV 1984), “For I know the plans I have for you,” declares the LORD, “plans to prosper you and not to harm you, plans to give you hope and a future.” This verse in context is God encouraging and instructing the Israelite exiles living in Babylon to press on. It can be applied to us as well. This verse simply states that God knows his will for your life…. But how do you know His will?

       Here’s the next one I’d like to look at: Romans 12:1-2 (NIV 1984), “Therefore, I urge you, brothers, in view of God’s mercy, to offer your bodies as living sacrifices, holy and pleasing to God—this is your spiritualact of worship. Do not conform any longer to the pattern of this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind. Then you will be able to test and approve what God’s will is—his good, pleasing and perfect will.” OK, there is a lot in that one. First off, we are called not to conform to the pattern of the world (To live in a way that is noticeably different from the rest of the people in this world). We accomplish this by being “living sacrifices” to God…. sounds scary… because sacrifices are all like …dead animals and stuff… right? Nope… Not in this instance. Key word here is “Living”. The old way of doing things is done. You are called to have life and that life comes from Christ. A sacrifice is devoted to God wholly. We are to have life in the fullest… by being devoted… wholly… to God. Living Sacrifice in a nutshell. OK, now being “transformed by the renewing of your mind”. That’s a very short sentence for a very long process. The process starts of course by responding to the initial call to know God. There is an initial desire to want to know more about Him, and you come to the point of salvation; accepting God’s offer of grace and beginning to follow Him. Day 1… done. That was easy. Does that entail transformation? Not exactly…. That entails the beginning of transformation.

       A common misconception is that once a person is saved, he or she’s life is immediately transformed and they are super godly, and know God’s will, and are perfect, and happy, and live on rainbows, and pee flowers, and sing really pretty, and have perfect skin…. OK OK, those last few are an exaggeration of the misconception…. But the fact of the matter is that being saved is only the very beginning of a long, and to be perfectly honest, an extremely difficult path. Let me assure you, knowing the will of God is no easy feat, because before we can know it, we must be totally devoted to following, listening, communicating, learning, and applying. You have to have a relationship with God.

       People often think of this as praying to God, picking up the Bible from time to time, and going to church. It goes much deeper than that though. A relationship entails communication BOTH ways. If you only talked to your friend but never listened, or listened but never spoke, what kind of relationship is that? A functioning relationship takes dedication from both parties to function. I can guarantee that God is devoted to you and your wellbeing (Jeremiah 29:11 again). The problem lies on our end. It’s easy to get caught up in a cycle of redundant bible reading, prayer, and church, and wonder why you’re not getting anywhere. God doesn’t want you on a routine of church, bible, pray, church, bible, pray, etc. He wants you to know Him. You don’t know Him by being religious. You know Him by chasing after Him (also, please don’t misunderstand; church, bible reading, and prayer are essential and beneficial… I’m just saying you have to pursue the relationship before these things can really make a difference). I recommend reading through the Psalms. Therein you will find many instances of men crying out to God, questioning God, seeking God, and praising God. This is how we are to communicate with God. Lay your heart down before Him. He already knows it so there is no sense in trying to hide it.

       Again, this isn’t something that very often happens in a day. I am very fortunate to be where I am today. But to get to where I am now it has taken 6 years. Within those 6 years I have had the highest and greatest times in my life…. But also the very lowest rock bottom points as well. This has been and continues to be the transformation of my life. It is something that will continue until the day I die, and I am most grateful for that (Philippians 1:6 (NIV 1984), “being confident of this, that he who began a good work in you will carry it on to completion until the day of Christ Jesus.”). I am grateful to say that I am beginning to see where God is leading me. It takes submission, humility, hard work, and dedication to God. The transforming of your mind by being living sacrifices and thus, not conforming any longer to the pattern of this world, and in doing these things, being able to test and approve Gods will for your life.

Let me offer some summarizing tips now that I have about talked you to death.

1. Read your Bible, but when you read it have an open heart and mind and look for what God is trying to tell you… Don’t read it out of guilt, because you feel you have to, but read it because you are seeking God. Pray before you read for an open heart and mind.

2. Pray, but when you pray, start by praising and thanking God, work your way to the people in your life and those who are not, then, lastly, pray for yourself. Be honest and lay your heart down before God. Confess your doubts, disbeliefs, struggles, sins, and successes. Await His response.

3. Go to church, but not because you have to, go to get encouragement… not to make an appearance. When it comes down to it, Church is simply the fellowship of believers. I cannot stress how important fellowship is. I went without it for a very long time. If you can’t make it to church find a group of believers to fellowship with; a small group, bible study, lunch, something.

4. Spend time with God. I don’t mean bible, fellowship, or prayer, but actually go off by yourself and be with God. Start by Just being quiet and contemplating where you are and where He is. This is a chance to listen. Trust me on this one; it’ll take a load off.

 

I hope this has helped. If there is anything more I can go into more depth about, let me know. Remember, you can anonymously send me a question or message if you have a tumblr account by clicking the “Ask Anything” link at the top of the page and selecting “Ask anonymously”. Or you can just message me.

"How I Wish the Homosexuality Debate Would Go" by Trevin Wax
  • NOTE:

    This may be a little long, but take some time to read it. Pastor gives phenomenal answers!

  • Host:

    You are a Christian pastor, and you say you believe the Bible, which means you are supposed to love all people.

  • Pastor:

    That’s right.

  • Host:

    But it appears to me that you and your church take a rather unloving position when it comes to gay people. Are homosexuals welcome to come to your church?

  • Pastor:

    Of course. We believe that the gospel is a message relevant for every person on the planet, and we want everyone to hear the gospel and find salvation in Jesus Christ. So at our church, our arms are outstretched to people from every background, every race, every ethnicity and culture. We’re a place for all kinds of sinners and people with all kinds of problems.

  • Host:

    But you said there, “We’re a place for sinners.” So you do believe that homosexuality is sinful, right?

  • Pastor:

    Yes, I do.

  • Host:

    So how do you reconcile the command to love all people with a position on homosexuality that some would say is radically intolerant?

  • Pastor:

    (smiling) If you think my position on homosexuality is radical, just wait until you hear what else I believe! I believe that a teenage guy and girl who have sex in the backseat of a pick-up are sinning. The unmarried heterosexual couple living down the street from me is sinning. In fact, any sexual activity that takes place outside of the marriage covenant between a husband and wife is sinful. What’s more, Jesus takes this sexual ethic a step further and goes to the heart of the matter. That means that any time I even lust after someone else, I am sinning. Jesus’ radical view of sexuality shows all of us up as sexual sinners, and that’s why He came to die. Jesus died to save lustful, homo- and heterosexual sinners and transform our hearts and minds and behavior. Because He died for me, I owe Him my all. And as a follower of Jesus, I’m bound to what He says about sex and morality.

  • Host:

    But Jesus didn’t condemn homosexuality outright, did He?

  • Pastor:

    He didn’t have to. He went to the heart issue and intensified the commands against immoral behavior in the Old Testament. So Jesus doesn’t just condemn adultery, for example, as does one of the Ten Commandments. Jesus condemns even the lust that leads to adultery, all with the purpose of offering us transformed hearts that begin beating in step with His radical demands.

  • Host:

    You say he condemned adultery, but he chose not to condemn the woman caught in adultery.

  • Pastor:

    That’s right, but He did tell her to “go and sin no more.”

  • Host:

    But who are you to condemn someone who doesn’t line up with your personal beliefs about sexuality?

  • Pastor:

    Who am I? No one. It’s not all that important what I think about these things. This conversation about homosexuality isn’t really about my personal beliefs. They’re about Jesus and what He says. I have no right to condemn or judge the world. That right belongs to Jesus. My hope is to follow Him faithfully. That means that whatever He says in regard to sexual practices is what I believe to be true, loving, and ultimately best for human flourishing – even when it seems out of step with the whims of contemporary culture.

  • Host:

    But you are judging. You are telling all the gay people watching this broadcast that they are sinners.

  • Pastor:

    I’m not singling out gay people. I’m pointing to Jesus as the answer to all sexual sinfulness.

  • Host:

    But you are referring to gay people. Why are you so focused on homosexuality?

  • Pastor:

    (smiling) With all due respect, you are the one who brought up this subject.

  • Host:

    Are you saying that you can’t be gay and Christian?

  • Pastor:

    No. I’m saying that you can’t be a genuine Christian without repentance. Everyone – including me – is guilty of sin, but Christianity hinges on repentance. We agree with God about our sin, and we turn from it and turn toward Jesus. When it comes to Christianity, this debate is not about homosexuality versus other sins. It’s about whether or not repentance is integral to the Christian life.

  • Host:

    But do you see why a homosexual watching this might think you are attacking them personally? You’re saying that something is wrong with them.

  • Pastor:

    I think Jesus’ teaching on sexuality shows us that there is something wrong with all of us – something that can only be fixed by what Jesus did for us on the cross and in His resurrection. That said, I understand why people might think I am attacking them personally. Most people with same-sex desires believe they were born with these tendencies. That’s why they often see their attraction as going to the very core of who they are, and so they identify themselves with the “gay” label. So whenever someone questions their behavior or desires, they take it as an attack on the very core of their being. That’s usually not the intent of the person who disagrees with homosexual behavior. But that’s the way it is perceived. I understand that.

  • Host:

    If it’s true that a person is born with one sexual orientation or another, then how can it possibly be loving to condemn one person’s orientation?

  • Pastor:

    Well, we really don’t know for certain about sexual attraction being innate and set from birth. All we have is the testimony of people who say that they’ve experienced same-sex desires since childhood. Christianity teaches that all people are born with a bent toward sin. It’s possible that some people will have a propensity toward alcohol abuse or angry outbursts, while others may have a propensity toward other sins. Regardless, Christians believe people are more than their sexual urges. We believe that human dignity is diminished whenever we define ourselves by sexual urges and behaviors. Consider this: married men are sometimes attracted to multiple women who are not their wives. Does this mean they should self-identify as polygamists? Not at all. And surely you wouldn’t consider it hateful for Christians to encourage married men not to act on their desires in an effort to remain faithful to their spouses. It is the Christian way, after all.

  • Host:

    No, but it still seems like you are telling people not to be true to who they are.

  • Pastor:

    It only seems that way because you believe sexual desire reflects the core of one’s identity. It would help if you and others who agree with you would understand that in your putting pressure on me to accept homosexual behavior as normal and virtuous, you are going to the very core of my identity as a follower of Jesus. The label most important to me is “Christian.” My identity – in Christ – is central to who I am. So I could say the same thing and call you intolerant, bigoted, and hateful for trying to change a conviction that goes to the core of who I am as a Christian. I don’t say that because I don’t believe that’s your intention. But neither should you think it’s my intention to attack a homosexual person or cause them harm merely because I disagree.

  • Host:

    But the problem is, your position fosters hate and encourages bullying.

  • Pastor:

    I recognize that some people have mistreated homosexuals in the past. It’s a shame that anyone anywhere would mock, taunt, or bully another human being made in God’s image. That said, I think we need to make one thing clear in regard to civil discourse: To differ is not to hate. I hope we can still have a real conversation in this country about different points of view without casting one another in the worst possible light. The idea that disagreeing with homosexual behavior necessarily results in harm to gay people is designed to shut down conversation and immediately rule one point of view (in this case, the Christian one) out of bounds. As a Christian, I am to love my neighbor and seek his good, even when I don’t see eye to eye with my neighbor. Furthermore, the picture of Christ on the cross dying for His enemies necessarily affects the way I think about this and other issues.

Isaiah 1:18-20 (NIV 1984)

“Come now, let us reason together,” 
   says the LORD. 
“Though your sins are like scarlet, 
   they shall be as white as snow; 
though they are red as crimson, 
   they shall be like wool. 
If you are willing and obedient, 
   you will eat the best from the land; 
but if you resist and rebel, 
   you will be devoured by the sword.” 

For the mouth of the LORD has spoken.

True story. he stole my words…. after I stole someones else…. or we all feel the same way. either way you want to look at it.

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how you doin'?? :D

I am doing quite well.